Who do the Pats select with the 23rd overall pick?

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VJCPatriot

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I'll personally drive up to Foxborough and blow-torch the place if that happens...
Curtis Martin was a 3rd round pick. Sony Michel looks like a huge reach in retrospect and Damien Harris couldn't get off the bench when Sony was rushing for 3.5 ypc and a cloud of dust. I wouldn't rule anything out. The offense needs a big reload wherever they can find the talent.
 

scott99

Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract
Because we need more than just one impact player out of the first 86 picks.
We have three 3rds, you don’t think 2 of them can get us a 2nd. Trade UP, we’ve been having enough ****ty drafts trading away our higher picks. Make the pick. Trade up for a 2nd if you’re targeting someone.
 

Rdforty2

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The problem is that you don't know what you have with the likes of Froholdt, Cajuste, and there's no guarantee that Andrews returns 100% healthy. I do feel the Pats will take a couple of OL in this draft but they will likely be interior OL so you can always find a decent OG or C in the 4th-6th rounds if your scouting is good.

Definitely need competition for those positions as the talent level and health was downright terrible last year and you don't know what you are getting with the IRd rookies from the last draft class.

That being said, offense needs a huge infusion of talent. I wouldn't be surprised if we drafted QB/WR/TE early. Heck I wouldn't be surprised at another 3rd or 4th round pick spent at RB as NONE of our RBs impressed last season.
I agree that theyll take guys on day 3, and thats fine. They should, and it's a position weve had success finding on day three. I was referring to our 'premium' picks.

While I understand that you cant count on Froholdt or Cajuste as if they're proven starters, but the same holds true for any draft pick this year, particularly guys taken in the 3rd round. Neither players injury should hinder their long term prospects, and they were talented enough last year to be 3rd and 4ths. Except they have a year in an NFL strength program. Theres no more risk in counting on Cajuste being the swing tackle than there is drafting one in the 3rd round. Theres no more risk counting on Froholdt as G/C depth than taking one in the 3rd round. That's all I'm saying.

With our top 4 picks, or whatever it amounts to after some moving around, I think we have bigger needs with less potential in house replacements. We have absolutely nothing at TE. Nothing at LB as far as coverage ability. We have no speed at WR. And Beau Allen is the only DT signed for '21, and we could use more talent right now anyway.
 

Patriot Missile

Pro Bowl Player
Trade Michel now maybe we can get a number 3 from Tampa or Detroit
Sounds tempting but I’m gonna pass. He did so well the year before and the oline was a shell without Andrews and lengthy absences by Wynn and Cannon. I’m giving him another prove it year as he might turn it around. We know he has the ability because we’ve seen it.
 

captain stone

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With our top 4 picks, or whatever it amounts to after some moving around, I think we have bigger needs with less potential in house replacements. We have absolutely nothing at TE. Nothing at LB as far as coverage ability. We have no speed at WR. And Beau Allen is the only DT signed for '21, and we could use more talent right now anyway.
Completely agree that TE, LB, WR & DT are top needs, maybe even in that exact order...But if one of the top 4 C/Gs (Ruiz, Kushenberry, Hennessy & Biadasz) is still available at 87, then I would very seriously consider taking him there...but only if it's one of those 4...
 

Ochmed Jones

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Sounds tempting but I’m gonna pass. He did so well the year before and the oline was a shell without Andrews and lengthy absences by Wynn and Cannon. I’m giving him another prove it year as he might turn it around. We know he has the ability because we’ve seen it.
I agree, the offensive line was devastated by injury last year. I have fixing it as bb’s job number 1 this offseason.

give him a line to run behind and he will make things happen.
 

Patriot Missile

Pro Bowl Player
Completely agree that TE, LB, WR & DT are top needs, maybe even in that exact order...But if one of the top 4 C/Gs (Ruiz, Kushenberry, Hennessy & Biadasz) is still available at 87, then I would very seriously consider taking him there...but only if it's one of those 4...
Ruiz or Biadasz are game changers. So much depth with a nice security blanket just incase Andrews can’t go. Not to mention injury to Thuney or Mason. Pretty sure they could transition to guard pretty easily if called upon. One of them would be a great safe pick.
 

patsrj

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Trade down unless a fantastic prospect falls for us at 23 (ex. Jeudy, a top OL).
Too many holes to fill in this draft.. that 2nd rounder will be missed
 

Rdforty2

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Ruiz or Biadasz are game changers. So much depth with a nice security blanket just incase Andrews can’t go. Not to mention injury to Thuney or Mason. Pretty sure they could transition to guard pretty easily if called upon. One of them would be a great safe pick.
Ruiz, sure. But hes not falling to 87.

Disagree on Biadasz. Major question mark. Was not the same player last year after the hip injury. Then goes out and has shoulder surgery. Without ironclad medicals, you're blindly hoping hes completely over 2 injuries and can return to what he was 2 years ago, not last year. Maybe hes worth one of the 3rds, depending on what's there. But I definitely wouldnt call him a game changer. Hes a guy I'd target more in the 4th if we address other needs earlier. I wouldnt take him over a similarly rated player at one of the top 4 needs in the 3rd. To me, hes a bigger risk that Froholdt. The downturn on on field play after the hip .... how does the hip look now? The shoulder injury. Where exactly is it at now? I know he was expected to be ready to go, but so was Cajuste. That doubt hurts his stock IMO. At least with Froholdt, we have access to every progress report hes had along the way and know exactly where he stands.
 

Scotty

Third String But Playing on Special Teams
I will admit to having way less knowledge the most on this board but there has to be a player at 23 who can improve our team so I would say pick at 23. I would then use some lower rounds to replace the missing round 2. In the mock drafts I usually take highest available OT/DL at 23 then follow up with TE and WR or vice versa ....reason I take a WR so high is that I want to build for the future.
 

Rdforty2

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I will admit to having way less knowledge the most on this board but there has to be a player at 23 who can improve our team so I would say pick at 23. I would then use some lower rounds to replace the missing round 2. In the mock drafts I usually take highest available OT/DL at 23 then follow up with TE and WR or vice versa ....reason I take a WR so high is that I want to build for the future.
I'd like to see a wideout as well. But preferably a speed guy. If Stidham is going to be the guy, he needs every little bit if help you can get. Even though the numbers of a rookie wideout might not be great, the presence would still help open up the middle for Stidham a lot more. Big Reagor fan. I dont really have issues with him even at 23. I just dont think Bill will do it. Perfect scenario would be moving down and still getting him but I'm not sure how low you can go and still be able to take him.
 

captain stone

Pro Bowl Player
I will admit to having way less knowledge the most on this board but there has to be a player at 23 who can improve our team so I would say pick at 23. I would then use some lower rounds to replace the missing round 2. In the mock drafts I usually take highest available OT/DL at 23 then follow up with TE and WR or vice versa ....reason I take a WR so high is that I want to build for the future.
I'd like to see a wideout as well. But preferably a speed guy. If Stidham is going to be the guy, he needs every little bit if help you can get. Even though the numbers of a rookie wideout might not be great, the presence would still help open up the middle for Stidham a lot more. Big Reagor fan. I dont really have issues with him even at 23. I just dont think Bill will do it. Perfect scenario would be moving down and still getting him but I'm not sure how low you can go and still be able to take him.
Yeah in a normal year - picking btwn 29-32 in the first round, having our 2nd-rounder, and having TFB at QB - then there would be more players on whom I would gladly pull the trigger...but this isn't a normal year, so I feel more strongly that unless one of only a select few drops to 23, then we must trade down to accumulate more picks in an attempt to fill all the holes we have on the roster, and to give Stid as many weapons & protection as possible...though I also seriously doubt that Bill drafts a WR in the first round 2 years in a row...
 

Scotty

Third String But Playing on Special Teams
I do see the sense of dropping down into possibly obtaining 2 x round 2's and still draft 2 x quality players.....I guess as everybody says depends on who is there at 23. I am looking forward to the draft even if it is with less razzamatazz than normal
 

State

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Espinoza at 23! He can play end in first and second down and move inside to pass rush on third down.

sets a strong edge, but can also get a lot of hits on qb’s.
Give Ochmed a gold star if it works out this way.

I’d take this warrior slightly ahead of the Penn State kid, Yetur Gross-Matos.

I’m thinking that’s the way Bill’s thinking.
 

Ochmed Jones

Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal
That seems a very safe opinion.

Michigan’s Cesar Ruiz a 1st-round pick? NFL draft pundits differ in latest mocks

I am half expecting Ruiz and half expecting Murray if we stay put at 23.
I can not figure out why we would stay at 23. There is little chance any of the 15 or 16 guys with first round grades fall to us.

lately, I have been trying to figure out the most realistic trade down scenario for us.

if we get a second and a third for 23, then I could see bb flipping one of our existing third rounders into a 2021 pick. Or maybe packaging a couple of thirds to move up a bit.
 

mgteich

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I can not figure out why we would stay at 23. There is little chance any of the 15 or 16 guys with first round grades fall to us.

lately, I have been trying to figure out the most realistic trade down scenario for us.

if we get a second and a third for 23, then I could see bb flipping one of our existing third rounders into a 2021 pick. Or maybe packaging a couple of thirds to move up a bit.
We might get a blue chipper if we are willing to give up a 3rd, but that probably won't be enough.
 

Ochmed Jones

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We might get a blue chipper if we are willing to give up a 3rd, but that probably won't be enough.
I only see 4 blue chip prospects in this draft. Tua, burrows, young, and the Ohio state cornerback.

but a see about 50 solid red chip prospects and about 70 white chip prospects. If bb does this right, we should get 5 solid players that can contribute to the team at some point.

plus, he has a chance for a late round hit on a kicker.
 

mgteich

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I only see 4 blue chip prospects in this draft. Tua, burrows, young, and the Ohio state cornerback.

but a see about 50 solid red chip prospects and about 70 white chip prospects. If bb does this right, we should get 5 solid players that can contribute to the team at some point.

plus, he has a chance for a late round hit on a kicker.
1) So, you don't want any of the 15 or 16 with 1st round grades if they fall for us (other than your 4 blue chippers)? I suspect that they won't, but just asking. The one wildcard that I see Bill considering is Love.

2) Almost all the red chippers should be gone by the end of the 2nd. I understand there may a couple left who are on Bill's list. This argues for trading down for two 2nds, or other compensation and trade back up into the second. We would then have 2 red chippers.

3) yes, we could get 3 solid players in the 3rd and 4th, "white chippers" you have called them.

4) I would expect Bill to draft a kicker in the 5th and then turn over the draft to someone else.

OF COURSE, Bill's list is likely to be much shorter than yours. I doubt very much that he has 124 players that he would consider drafting in the first four rounds.
 
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