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hodgey

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For me know matter what he did it's the other 52 on the roster that had to pay the penalty. All that work and it comes down to a coach benching a main cog in the secondary ? Lets find out if this act by Butler was a felony or more on the level of Welker's foot comment. Imagine working your a**es of for a year to get there and find out a key FA to be was suddenly being benched?
 

Ice_Ice_Brady

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The need all kinds of help on D. But the biggest need is on the D-line and at LB.
That's a good point. All the focus is on Malcolm Butler, who was our third best CB this year (or fourth if you count Jonathan Jones), but the front 6/ front 7 were woefully, historically terrible in this Super Bowl. Due to their inability to stop the run, it effected the secondary in a bad way. Due to their inability to generate any pressure on Foles, it effected the secondary in a horrible way. Butler may have made a marginal difference, but the bigger problem was a quarterback having a clean pocket for 3+ second on every single snap.
 

Ring 6

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You are really buying into Belichick's obviously fake comments? Butler was benched. When a guy is demoted or will get fewer snaps, the coach doesn't come up to you before the game and tell you that you're not playing, prompting you to cry during the national anthem. Nor does your playing time go from 97% of snaps to 0%. Something happened, and it's just a question of what and not if.
That doesn’t change the fact that the game plan was big nickel and big dime. It’s what we played week 1 against he most similar offense we faced.
Butler being benched meant Rowe played not someone else.
 

juny

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That doesn’t change the fact that the game plan was big nickel and big dime. It’s what we played week 1 against he most similar offense we faced.
Butler being benched meant Rowe played not someone else.
I'm not sure why they didn't make any adjustments when it was clearly not working in the 1st half. Change scheme, change personnel(Butler), it was maddening to see the Eagles go up and down the field all day.
 

DropKickFlutie

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That doesn’t change the fact that the game plan was big nickel and big dime. It’s what we played week 1 against he most similar offense we faced.
Butler being benched meant Rowe played not someone else.
Basically the 4 safety defense sucks, has never worked, and should never be brought back. Never again have safeties lined up defending outside WR's again.

Kudos to those people who made million dollar bets on the Eagles (probably bet the moment they found out about the idiotic 4 safety defense, or Butler benching plan)
 

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I'm not sure why they didn't make any adjustments when it was clearly not working in the 1st half. Change scheme, change personnel(Butler), it was maddening to see the Eagles go up and down the field all day.
I see people continue to refer to adjustments like those magical things everywhere but does anyone actually have any specific suggestion for adjustments that did not involve Butler?

People are somehow down on Patricia and are even mocking him when no one had actually any better ideas what to do given the resources he had available.

It is easy to stand in front of a complex problem and shout at it to solve itself.
 

brdmaverick

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I'm not sure why they didn't make any adjustments when it was clearly not working in the 1st half. Change scheme, change personnel(Butler), it was maddening to see the Eagles go up and down the field all day.
That's what is so mind boggling. We criticize opposing coaches for making dumb decisions when they play the Pats. They get suckered into the mystique of trying to do too much when they play us.........well, on this one I can't help but think that BB out-thought himself . Furthermore, why did he/they continue their stubbornness when it clearly wasn't working. The guy played 97% of the snaps for godsake, and you give him 1 special teams snap. crazy
 

Brady6

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Belichick is not that great of a coach and I’m tired of people claiming he is. Everyone talks about 2008 as this grand achievement because he took a team to an 11-5 record with a backup QB. Well that is 5 game decline over the previous season and missed playoff. Matt Cassel played above average QB and went on to make the pro bowl before injuries derailed his career. Last night Belichick got beat by a backup QB in the super bowl. So big deal he had a winning record in 2008 without Brady. It was not that much a feat.

A few years ago we had Jones, Collins, Butler, Easley, and one by one Belichick has ran them out of town while receiving little to nothing in return.

I don’t care what Belichick has done in the past he cost this team a super bowl and that is unforgivable in my opinion.
 

Kdo5

Pro Bowl Player
Agreed, this is inexcusable...41 points later and the
Most yards given up in Patriots playoff history. After what #21 has done for us, to do this to him, and to see him crying on the sideline is something I'll never forget...
Ugh. So true...
 

scout

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BB sat M.Butler costing the Pat's a victory? After sleeping (somewhat) on this and reading Butler posts and an article from the Herald. I want to revisit the decision not to play Butler. First, if Butler did anything anti-Patriot, BB would never say anything. Some fans, were upset when BB benched Welker for mouthing off. There is a reason why the Patriots have gone to so many Superbowls. It's called the Patriots way. BB traded Garoppolo to the 49er's for less then Cleveland's offer. Yet, traded Collins to Cleveland for less then he could have gotten elsewhere. Did we ever hear BB badmouth Collins. I'm guessing Butler F*** up as did Collins. In the long-run, benching Butler was the right thing to do (assuming he F***up). Although, you will disagree if you think Welker should have played.
 

luuked

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Belichick is not that great of a coach and I’m tired of people claiming he is. Everyone talks about 2008 as this grand achievement because he took a team to an 11-5 record with a backup QB. Well that is 5 game decline over the previous season and missed playoff. Matt Cassel played above average QB and went on to make the pro bowl before injuries derailed his career. Last night Belichick got beat by a backup QB in the super bowl. So big deal he had a winning record in 2008 without Brady. It was not that much a feat.

A few years ago we had Jones, Collins, Butler, Easley, and one by one Belichick has ran them out of town while receiving little to nothing in return.

I don’t care what Belichick has done in the past he cost this team a super bowl and that is unforgivable in my opinion.
He is the greatest coach in the history of the game. It is that easy.
 

Kdo5

Pro Bowl Player
That's a good point. All the focus is on Malcolm Butler, who was our third best CB this year (or fourth if you count Jonathan Jones), but the front 6/ front 7 were woefully, historically terrible in this Super Bowl. Due to their inability to stop the run, it effected the secondary in a bad way. Due to their inability to generate any pressure on Foles, it effected the secondary in a horrible way. Butler may have made a marginal difference, but the bigger problem was a quarterback having a clean pocket for 3+ second on every single snap.
He was the second best corner and it's not even a question. If Jones had started all year maybe we could talk. But are you actually putting Eric Rowe ahead of Butler?!
 

Brady6

Pro Bowl Player
BB sat M.Butler costing the Pat's a victory? After sleeping (somewhat) on this and reading Butler posts and an article from the Herald. I want to revisit the decision not to play Butler. First, if Butler did anything anti-Patriot, BB would never say anything. Some fans, were upset when BB benched Welker for mouthing off. There is a reason why the Patriots have gone to so many Superbowls. It's called the Patriots way. BB traded Garoppolo to the 49er's for less then Cleveland's offer. Yet, traded Collins to Cleveland for less then he could have gotten elsewhere. Did we ever hear BB badmouth Collins. I'm guessing Butler F*** up as did Collins. In the long-run, benching Butler was the right thing to do (assuming he F***up). Although, you will disagree if you think Welker should have played.
Welker was benched a small portion of the game and it wasn’t the super bowl. The team worked all year to get to that game you put the best players on the field no matter what and let the players who didn’t **** up have a chance to achieve the greatest moment of their career.
 

PatriotSpy

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Kill two birds with one stone. Maintain his no b.s. policy and get Brady and Bob back for undermining his authority.
 

Brady6

Pro Bowl Player
You are free to say this forever. However, IMHO, Rowe played a fine game. The matchups were great, once Gilmore was moved. But, yes, I would think that Butler was a better #4 corner to bring in than Bademosi.
Eric Rowe allowed a passer rating of 131 last night. Your opinion isn’t supported by facts.
 
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