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  1. BaconGrundleCandy

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    I'll use this thread to talk about and breakdown the upcoming 2021 WR class. This lot is just bonkers. We just had an unbelievable one last year but this class is just as good if not better.

    I think this year's class might be a lil more diverse/versatile?
    Giving it a quick look over a few things jump out ... Size, athleticism & route running are all really impressive as a collective.

    I could be wrong but it seems like we have more size this year? Plenty of size & big bodies. Ridiculous amount of sudden prospects with quicks and legit speed. Real 4.4 speed to go along with made you miss moves.

    Top heavy & very deep, it'll be one of the better classes next year for sure. I could see ten top 50-60 picks. This league is being infused with a ton of young talent at the position and it's not letting up.

    How I graded WR's over the years ...

    DRAFT GRADES - HISTORY 2011-PRESENT.xlsx

    So like always I'm just looking to get the prospects into the right neighborhood rn. No rankings, just a good, rough idea of where they'll go next year.



    Tier 1
    Ja’Marr Chase
    - LSU - 6'1/200


    Jaylen Waddle - Alabama - 5'10/180


    Rondale Moore - Purdue - 5'9/180


    Rashod Bateman - Minnesota - 6'2/210


    DeVonta Smith - Alabama - 6'1/175


    Sage Surratt - Wake Forest - 6'3/215


    Tier 2
    Josh Imatorbhebhe
    - Illinois - 6'2/215


    Tamorrian Terry - FSU - 6'4/220


    Chris Olave - OSU - 6'1/185


    Tylan Wallace - Ok St - 6’/185


    Justyn Ross - Clemson - 6'4/205


    Tyler Vaughns - USC - 6'2/190


    Nico Collins - Michigan - 6'4/220


    Amon-Ra St. Brown - USC - 6'1/195


    Dazz Newsome - UNC - 5'11/190


    Seth Williams - Auburn - 6'3/225


    Jhamon Ausbon - Texas A&M - 6'2/218


    Brennan Eagles - Texas - 6'4/225


    Warren Jackson - Colorado St - 6'6/220


    Dyami Brown - UNC - 6'1/195


    Taysir Mack - Pittsburgh - 6'2/205


    Damon Hazelton - Missouri - 6'2/215


    Ihmir Smith-Marsette - Iowa - 6'1/185


    C.J. Riley - N.C. State - 6'4/210


    Charleston Rambo - Oklahoma - 6'1/180


    Amari Rodgers - Clemson - 5'10/210


    Marquez Stevenson - Houston - 6'0/190



    Reggie Roberson - SMU - 6'/200


    Terrace Marshall - LSU - 6'4/200


    Malik Knowles - Kansas St - 6'2/185


    T.J. Vasher - Texas Tech - 6'6/210


    Tre Turner - Virginia Tech - 6'2/195



    Damonte Coxie - Memphis - 6'3/200



    Tier 3A
    Ty Jones
    - Washington - 6’4/215



    Isaiah Weston - UNI - 6'4/210


    Kadarius Toney - Florida - 5’11/195


    Bryan Thompson - Utah - 6'2/205


    Branden Mack - Temple - 6'5/220


    Braydon Johnson - Ok St - 6'1/195


    Michael Strachan - Charleston - 6'5/220


    Rico Bussey Jr - North Texas - 6'2/193


    Griffin Hebert - LA-Tech - 6'3/215


    Dez Fitzpatrick - Louisville - 6'2/205


    Tre Nixon - UCF - 6'2/180


    Jadan Blue - Temple - 6'/185


    Elijah Cooks - Nevada - 6'4/215


    Dillon Stoner - Ok St - 6'/200


    Tarik Black - Texas - 6'3/215


    Frank Darby - Arizona St - 6'1/200


    Anthony Schwartz - Auburn - 6’/180


    T.J. Simmons - West Virginia - 6'2/200


    Jeremiah Holloman - FIU - 6'2/200


    Antoine Green - UNC - 6'2/210


    Corey Sutton - App. St - 6'3/200


    Chris Autman-Bell - Minnesota - 6'1/215


    OrTre Smith - South Carolina - 6'4/220


    Chatarius Atwell - Louisville - 5'9/155



    Shi Smith - South Carolina - 5'10/190


    Demetris Robertson / Georgia / 6’0”, 190


    Ronnie Bell - Michigan - 6’/185


    Tyquan Thornton - Baylor - 6'3/175


    Elijah Moore - Ole Miss - 5'9/185


    J.D. Spielman - Nebraska - 5'9/180


    Whop Philyor - Indiana -


    Kendric Pryor - Wisconsin - 5'11/180


    Randall St Felix - USF - 6'2/210


    Keylon Stokes - Tulsa - 6'/190


    Osirus Mitchell - Miss St - 6'5/210


    Johnny Johnson - Oregon - 6’/200


    Braylon Sanders - Ole Miss - 6'0/190


    Dontay Demus - Maryland - 6'3/200


    Andrew Parchement - Kansas - 6'2/180


    Taj Harris - Syracuse - 6'2/175


    Jalen Tolbert - South Alabama - 6'3/195


    Isaiah McKoy - Kent St - 6'3/185


    Trevon Grimes - Florida - 6'5/215


    Thayer Thomas - N.C. St - 6’/195


    Otis Anderson - UCF - 5'11/175


    Tarique Milton - Iowa St - 5'10/185



    Tier 3B
    Mike Woods - Arkansas - 6'1/205


    Alec Pierce - Cincinnati - 6'3/215


    Danny Davis - Wisconsin - 6'/195


    Whop Philyor - Indiana - 5'11/180


    Yo’Heinz Tyler - Ball St - 6'3/210


    Ricky Smalling - Illinois - 6'1/205


    Brandon Smith - Iowa - 6'2/220


    Stanley Berryhill - Arizona - 5'10/175


    Darryl Jones - Maryland - 6’2/195


    Josh Palmer - Tennessee - 6'2/195


    Jahan Dotson - PSU - 5’11/175


    Emeka Emezie - N.C. State - 6'3/210


    Nate Craig-Meyers - Colorado St - 6'2/205


    Victor Tucker - Charlotte - 5'11/185


    Kalil Pimpleton
    - C. Michigan - 5'9/175


    Tre Walker - San Jose St - 5'11/180


    Savon Scarver - Utah St - 5'11/180


    Trevon Bradford - Oregon St - 6’/185


    Marlon Williams - UCF - 6'/225


    Jaylon Redd - Oregon - 5’8/180


    Bryson Smith - Houston - 6’/190


    Ty Fryfogle - Indiana - 6'2/205


    Adrian Hardy - LA-Tech - 6'2/200


    Victor Tucker - Charlotte - 5'11/185


    Davontavean Martin - Wash St - 6'3/185


    Britain Covey - Utah - 5'8/170


    Stephon Robinson - Kansas - 5'10/180


    Reggie Todd -Troy - 6'5/200


    Austin Watkins - UAB - 6'3/205


    K.D. Nixon - Colorado - 5'8/185


    Braden Lenzy - Notre Dame - 5'11/180


    McLane Mannix - Texas Tech - 5'10/195


    Jaelon Darden - North Texas - 5'9/175


    Jaylond Adams - Southern Miss - 5'10/180


    Malik Williams - App St - 5'10/180


    Velus Jones - Tennessee - 6'0/190 (Transferred from USC)


    Willie Wright - FAU - 5'8/160


    D.J. Matthews - FSU - 5'10/155


    Hezekiah Grimsley - Virginia Tech - 6'0/185 (Transfer Portal)


    Aaron Cephus - Rice - 6'4/200 (Transfer Portal)

    Sean Savoy - Maryland - 5'9/185 (Transfer Portal)
     
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    Seems like another damn good class, I expect a lot of movement of rankings
     
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    is there anyone with good hands, smart mind(football IQ), hard worker, has some decent speed, very good rr, can beat press coverage and can get easy seperation?
    does not need to be tall...
    I'd take him, I mean I am not asking for much there:whistle:
     
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    If Devonta Smith/Tylan Wallace enter the supplement draft what round pick are you willing to give up to select them ?
     
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    2nd for Smith, easy. Same for Wallace if his medicals are good. Smith would have been top 3-5 this year. Same for TW if he's healthy. Not as good a rr as Smith but Wallace has some real juice.
     
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    Just started watching film of the tier 1 receivers and choose Jaylen Waddle at random and was immediately impressed , if he is a sample of the others then this will be a good group
     
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    I saw it earlier but started nights/7 days a week, last week and have been dead tired.

    Sucks it sounds like he's hurting inside for real and possibly thinking about life after football.

    He's an unreal talent. If he produced like he's been doing and had passed the combine I thought he's a first rounder all day. I think he would have been fighting for WR1 the past 2 years.
     
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    Do you think he will slip to 2-4 round, maybe a steal in the 2nd or 3rd if people are concerned with his health? (seems like a BB pick then:evil:)
     
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    Long-shot track kid that high points and extends like this on the regular. Curious what he could run at 6'4-5 / 220-225.
     
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    Not sure how I missed these ...

    1)Bama boys are nasty. Someone reached out to me recently on Twitter about what traits I look for in certain positions. For WR I want basketball players. Guys that can't make in bball but some of their skills translate over to the field. Doesn't matter the size, different traits stick.

    Smith and Waddle are filthy with the ball in their hands. Those two can cross you over like Doug Baldwin. Make you miss and have legit 4.4 speed. Maybe faster in Waddles case.

    Two bigger guys, Imatorbhebhe & Terry. Imatorbhebhe is supposed to have a 47.5 vert?? Idk but anything > 40 is nuts and plenty of air. He really knows how to use his body at the catch and top of his route. Very physical and he looks 215. Imatorbhebhe reminds me of Dani at times.

    Terry is supposedly up to 220-225? And he's a burner. I can't wait to see how he looks on the field.

    In really dk about Ross and where his head is at after the injury. I didn't get good vibes but it's so early. You would need to see him move, medicals and make a decision. I hope he recovers bc I was a big fan.
     
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    Its almost impossible to get hands on Smith or Waddle. Again they're like PG's in basketball. Just water bug quick. Very crisp rr. Watch him off the line. Feet so clean no wasted steps. Even on hesi-moves. Love the stack on Stingley in the first clip. Stingley is widely regarded as CB1 but I wouldn't write that in stone. Smith should have an advantage being the older player but I thought he got the better of him all game.


    Him and Waddle both have that patience to their game that really puts DBs in a bind. With the spacing in college it's almost impossible to covers these guys. Can hit you with hesi-moves, stop/start bc their acceleration is insane. Dude made half the D look silly.


    Really nice rr here on out/up. Wins it early heading to the flat and causes the DB to react. Once he does and has to come back down its over. Most sports are about effort - mental & physical toughness & misdirection.


    Going up against NFL comp here. Great job at selling outside to gain inside leverage. Nice job creating space leaning in. I miss watching Tua throw in breaking routes.


     
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    So loose. Again you see the patience & confidence in his ability to make you miss. Obviously looks plenty fast enough. Saw break multiple angles on those returns. And if that isn't enough going toe to toe with Ruggs above. I'm sure depending on the day those two go back and forth on races.
     
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    I wouldn't mind, if we draft early in the first, to get one of Smith, Waddle or Chase. (Of course if they stay healthy and show consistency in this upcoming season.)
     
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    Bateman just opted out. If I'm Chase if not even thinking about playing. Get in the best shape of ur life & let NFL watch the best tape out there over the last few year's.
     
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    There are times I see a bit of wasted initial step but his releases, stem, use of varied speeds to separate are legit. Brugler compared him to Allen & Thomas. I see A LOT of Allen, Diggs, Thielen ... All great guys to be associated with. If he's 6'1 - 6'2 / 210 - 215 and runs a 4.5 - 4.55 he should be a top 30-40 lock. Esp if he really takes it upon himself to get in the best shape of his life. He's only 19 or just turned 20.

     
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