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Discussion in 'Patriots Draft Talk' started by BaconGrundleCandy, May 10, 2020.

  1. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I'll use this thread to discuss & breakdown the upcoming 2021 QB class. And what a class we could potentially have. Honestly there's no way around it, this could be one of the better classes we've had over the last 10-20 years.
    The athleticism the position has taken on is incredible. I really excited to see the game transform over the next 10 year's. It's been here, we've been inching towards there with the current group and the next few classes will really be fun to watch. Lawrence to Lance. Fields to Ridder. These guys have crazy arm talent that can launch it 50+ and can rip off 40 yard chunks with their legs. Then you have guys like Morgan & Purdy. Who are more cerebral assassins with + placement & accuracy.
    Have you checked out Buechele yet? What about Ridder or Trask? How about Kenny Pickett or Zach Wilson?

    Again it looks like it could be a great class. And we know someone will burst out we didn't expect. Like the rest of the threads these aren't set in stone rankings. Just trying to get prospects as close to where they'll be going next year. These are just the guys I have a good handle on so far. I'll add to the names as here and there.

    So the tiers are a lil different bc QB's are different and that important.
    Basically you have guys that ...
    1)win the game for you/make others better (Prime-Semi Prime Brady, Mahomes, Wilson, Prime Rodgers, etc)

    2)Can win with/occasionally step up

    3))Doesn't hurt you, doesn't help you

    4)Hurts you

    I think there's 6-8 prospects with either big franchise QB or small franchise QB traits. Guys that fall between 1-3. Again really pumped about this class. I'm pulling for Stid as much as anyone. Honestly it would be great if he's legit but if not we'll have no problem in terms of options over the next 2 year's.

    How I've graded QB's over the years ...
    DRAFT GRADES - HISTORY 2011-PRESENT.xlsx



    QB
    Tier 1

    Trevor Lawrence
    - Clemson - 6'6/220


    Trey Lance - NDSU - 6'3/220


    Justin Fields - OSU - 6'2/220


    Brock Purdy
    - Iowa St - 6/205


    Desmond Ridder - Cincinnati - 6'3/215


    Kyle Trask - Florida - 6'4/235



    Tier 2A
    Jamie Newman
    - Georgia - 6'3/220


    Anthony Russo - Temple - 6'3/235


    Chase Garners
    - California - 6'2/205


    Sam Ehlinger - Texas - 6'2/235


    Kellen Mond - Texas A&M - 6'2/215


    Shane Buechele - SMU - 6'1/210


    Jack Coan - Wisconsin - 6'2/220


    Sean Clifford - PSU - 6'1/210


    Kenny Pickett - Pittsburgh - 6'2/225



    Tier 2B
    Tanner Morgan - Minnesota - 6'2/215


    Zach Wilson
    - BYU - 6'2/210


    Charlie Brewer
    - Baylor - 6'1/210


    Hendon Hooker - Virginia Tech - 6'4/230


    Mac Jones
    - Alabama - 6'2/205


    Brady White
    - Memphis - 6'2/215


    Micale Cunningham - Louisville - 6'1/195


    K.J. Costello
    - Miss St - 6'4/215


    Michael Penix
    - Indiana - 6'3/215


    Brandon Peters - Illinois -



    Tier 3
    Jarrett Guarantano
    - Tennessee - 6'3/215


    Chase Brice - Duke - 6'1/215


    Dustin Crum - Kent St -


    Dorian Thompson-Robinson - UCLA - 6'1/205


    Myles Brennan - LSU -


    Jarret Doege - West Virginia - 6'2/200


    Drew Plitt - Ball St - 6'2/215


    Collin Hill - South Carolina - 6'5/215


    Jack Abraham - Southern Miss - 6'/205



    Tier 4
    Ian Book - ND - 6/215


    D'Eriq King - Miami - 5'9/190


    Chris Robison - FAU - 6'1/200


    Armani Rogers - UNLV - 6'5/225



    Zac Thomas
    - App St - 6/200


    Hunter Johnson - Northwestern - 6'1/210


    Peyton Ramsey - Northwestern - 6'2/215


    Sam Hartman - Wake Forest - 6'1/200


    Jake Bentley - Utah - 6'4/220


    Feleipe Franks - Arkansas - 6'5/225


    Holton Ahlers - ECU - 6'3/235


    JT Daniels - USC - 6'3/210 (Transfer Portal)


    Austin Kendall - West Virginia - 6'2/220


    Davis Mills - Stanford


    Anthony Brown - Oregon - 6'1/220


    Adrian Martinez - Nebraska - 6'2/225


    Tommy Devito - Syracuse -


     
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  2. Flash

    Flash Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Trey Lance's stock shooting up right after this year's draft. Some have Lance as the second best QB in this class after Lawrence instead of Justin Fields due to a superior arm.
     
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  3. Snooky97

    Snooky97 In the Starting Line-Up

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    Trey Lance's film is unbelievable. Quicker than he looks, quick release, has an absolute cannon of an arm.

    Trevor Lawrence is just on a different level. Cannot wait to see what he does this season.
     
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    Bleedthrough Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    I honestly think Trevor Lawrence is in tier S/tier 0 by himself. A hall of famer barring injury.

    Then Fields, Lance, and Purdy in tier A
     
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    borisman Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Could be 6 (Newman, Purdy & Trask) 1st round QB's taken and about 7 teams could be in the hunt for one early in the draft. Morgan could sneak into the 1st as well.

    Patriots should be able to get a good, not great, prospect with upside.

    @BaconGrundleCandy > Zach Wilson is listed as a WR on the USC roster.
     
  6. BaconGrundleCandy

    BaconGrundleCandy PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Its (his stock) been up since last year to be fair. Everyone else is just catching up.
     
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  7. BaconGrundleCandy

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    Different players.

    C'mon @borisman trust Bacon. Not the same guy. I didn't become a draft expert by confusing prospects :evil::D:)
     
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  8. BaconGrundleCandy

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    I was very close to doing that. Everyone knows who T-Law is by now though. So I didn't want to get too wonky with the tiers for prospects that so well known.
     
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  9. JerseyShore99

    JerseyShore99 Third String But Playing on Special Teams

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    Seems like a class with high upside
     
  10. Gabriel_p94

    Gabriel_p94 On the Game Day Roster

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    I have been doing my homework on this years crop of qbs and I have to say that I really like trey lance as possibly qb 2. But it’s definitely neck and neck between he and Justin fields. I’m starting to do my homework on fields and want to see if my rankings change afterwards. I’ve been holding off on watching Trevor Lawrence because I think everyone already has him at number one. But this class is definitely shaping to be a great one and if for some reason stidham doesn’t show any promising signs of growth we should be in great position to get a very talented player.
     
  11. BaconGrundleCandy

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    Expanding on this a bit ...
    I try to get specific with prospects even this far out and just saw something with the 2nd tiers. Close but some separation so I wanted to highlight that.

    Lawrence is definitely in a class by himself. Kid has passed every test thrown at him at such a young age.

    Anyway like grading I'm just trying to get as specific as I can with these prospects.
     

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